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        Thug - "Obatem By Night" [04.48 - 4515k]
        (monotonik.mp3.rel.10) - released on 29/09/99.
        .static.then.startling.bright.idm.clarity.
        ftp://ftp.support.nl/pub/mono/mp3/thg-ob.mp3

        Dragon#5 diskmag is out (90% polish)
        ftp://amber.bti.pl/pub/scene/mags/dragon
        ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/mags/dragon


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Aug 27 - Aug 29, 1999 France    LTP 3               http://ltp.planet-d.net
Sep 03 - Sep 05, 1999 Poland    Gravity#4           http://www.anadune.optimus.wroc.pl/gravity
Sep 03 - Sep 05, 1999 France    RTS Party 2000-1    http://RTS-PartY.imag.fr
Sep 03 - Sep 05, 1999 Holland   Bizzare '99         http://bizzare.nl
Sep 05 - Sep 07, 1999 Sweden    The Demoparty '99   http://www.demoparty.com
Sep 10 - Sep 12, 1999 Sweden    Regal '99           http://regal.amphibic.com
Sep 24 - Sep 26, 1999 Poland    Horizon '99         http://www.horizon.siec.pl
Sep 25 - Sep 26, 1999 Portugal  Mira Amiga '99      http://www.surf.to/paug
Sep 26 - Sep 28, 1999 Hungary   Rage-Scenest '99    http://scenest.scene-hu.com
Sep 30 - Oct 03, 1999 Norway    Distance '99        http://www.neutralzone.org/distance
Oct 01 - Oct 03, 1999 Germany   Dialogos '99        http://www.dialogos.cc

=========! present time !======================================================


Oct 08 - Oct 10, 1999 Sweden    The Feeling '99     http://www.thefeeling.net
Oct 09 - Oct 11, 1999 Spain     Arroutada Party 7   http://www.arroutada.ddns.org
Oct 14 - Oct 17, 1999 Norway    Norvegia '99        http://www.neutralzone.org/norvegia/norvegia99
Oct 30 - Nov 01, 1999 France    Central Party '99   http://www.chez.com/centralparty

Nov 04 - Nov 07, 1999 Sweden    Dreamhack '99       http://www.dreamhack.org
Nov 05 - Nov 07, 1999 Argentina The Flash '99       http://www.theflashparty.com.ar/
Nov 13 - Nov 15, 1999 Hungary   Conference 3000
Nov 19 - Nov 21, 1999 Germany   Breed '99           http://www.alienpub.com/breed/99
Nov ?? - Nov ??, 1999 Germany   Cologne Conf. '99   http://www.academicus.de/cc98

Dec 13 - Dec 15, 1999 Slovenia  Abort '99
Dec 13 - Dec 15, 1999 Holland   ST News ICCC 2000   http://www.scriba.org/stnicc2000
Dec 27 - Dec 30, 1999 Denmark   The Party 9         http://www.theparty.dk

Mar 31 - Apr 02, 2000 Finland   Rendezvous 01       http://rendezvous.stc.cx

Apr 19 - Apr 23, 2000 Norway    The Gathering 1900

May 06 - May 07, 2000 Russia    Parodox 2000        http://eltes.info-don.ru/kirr
May 26 - May 28, 2000 Germany   Radwar Party 2000   http://www.radwar.com

Nov ?? - Nov ??, 2000 France    Millenium Party 2K
??? ?? - ??? ??, 2000 USA       Bang! 2000          http://www.scene.org/bang!
??? ?? - ??? ??, 2000 Belgium   Inscene 2000        http://www.inscene.com
??? ?? - ??? ??, 2000 Australia Covern 2000         http://www.coven2000.com


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        This week! I have been mostly eating... boredom


=====! interview !=============================================================

        Session Start: Wed Sep 22 01:14:36 1999

        *** pyro has joined #demojournal

        <|ps|> hello! who are you?

        <pyro> I am the one and only pyromaniac of beyond...

        <|ps|> oh yeah? and who is that?

        <pyro> my name is paul bragiel, I'm 22 years old, and I'm a male
               exotic dancer.

        <|ps|> do you have any references from previous jobs?
               have you ever danced for someone famous?

        <pyro> one time I danced for margaret thatcher when she was on a
               political relations tour here in the united states.
               she was talking dirty to me the whole time. it was quite
               disturbing.
               as for references, I'm the closing act at the 'stud shack'

        <|ps|> ok, whats the normal fee for your services?

        <pyro> I usually charge 200$/hour for a private dance.
               there are time when I go up or down in price, it depends on
               how sexy my clients are.

        <|ps|> i see i see, ok, what do you do scene-wise?

        <pyro> well I'm one of the few sceners left that does pure
               organization. it seems like we are a dying breed. I used to
               be a pixeler but that was dropped when I found my true
               calling.

        <|ps|> when have you first started your scene career?

        <pyro> I started in december of 93 when someone uploaded Saga by
               Dust to my BBS. I haven't looked back since.

        <|ps|> where are you from again?

        <pyro> I am from the city of Chicago, in the United States!

        <|ps|> united states, well well, what can you tell us about the
               scene there?

        <pyro> I can tell you that my group is the only group that is active
               that I know of. outside of us its a barren wasteland of lame
               tracker groups and even lamer ansi groups. amazingly enough
               we all live a short walk/drive from each other.

        <|ps|> chicago is pretty big! how come there are no demogroups?

        <pyro> this is a question I get asked quite often. my feeling is
               that just as people were starting to figure out the demo
               scene, the internet came along and everyone got excited in
               making 'internet' groups. as a result people joined groups in
               which they never saw their fellow members.  as we all know,
               this is not the environment to make a demo.
               I lay a lot of the blame on groups like Kosmic, Hornet, and
               other internet moguls of the time.

        <|ps|> we know that? you could have fooled me

        <pyro> well moving along, look at the some of the greatest demos of
               our time. all were made by a few core members being in close
               proximity to each other (most specifically the artist and
               coder)

        <|ps|> so your point is? demoscene sucks couz there are no close
               groups of friends interested on demos?

        <pyro> yes... my point is that since everyone spread themselves out
               due to the internet instead of developing a group locally,
               the scene here wasn't able to develop properly.

        <|ps|> ok, so lets talk about beyond! who are you and what have you
               been doing?

        <pyro> well we are a group that has been around since 1996 and was
               created strictly to be a group that was locally based. in
               fact every one of the members went to the same university
               and lived at the most 8 minutes walk from each other.

        <|ps|> what have you done?

        <pyro> recently we added a whole new montreal division that has 5
               members that are all a subway ride away from each other.
               well our productions mostly go unreleased. we've created
               1 demo, a few realtime raytracing intros, and the chartsmag
               'heroin'. we're also developing on the Game Boy Color
               nowadays.

        <|ps|> game boy color? :) what are you doing for gameboy?

        <pyro> to those of you in europe that aren't familiar with this
               system, its a portable game console from Nintendo.
               well we are doing everything from the ever fun intros to our
               fulltime project which is a overhead racing game.

        <|ps|> we have gameboys on europe pyro :P we have capitalism too! :)
               you recently visited europe didnt you? (i know you did) what
               did you think of it?

        <pyro> well I thought europe was great. I definately could see
               myself working/living there for a year or 2. best part of the
               trip as usual is seeing the many different women!

        <|ps|> what countries did you visit? what kind of diferent women? ;)

        <pyro> well I visited 13 countries (14 if you count the vatican
               city!) as for the different women, well each country has
               their own different flavor. it makes you want to taste them
               all! if you want, I could bore the readers to death and list
               all of them.

        <|ps|> i heard the italians are really going for it.. got any
               luck? ;) who gives a fuck about readers? i want to know
               about that italien chick! :P

        <pyro> well it was quite funny... my cousin and I were staying in
               Rome and we got totally drunk off italian wine.

        <|ps|> go on..

        <pyro> we ended up near the Trevi fountain and we found a few
               girls... we tried to approach them speaking english, but
               alas it did not work... good think my cousin is from Quebec
               so we both could speak french...

        <|ps|> italians know french?

        <pyro> so we would just speak french but add in a stupid Italian
               accent... needless to say it worked!
               no... but there were many words in common that they
               understood... so it was enough to communicate.
               needless to say we the all of us drank the less we care if we
               could understand each other...

        <|ps|> hi! whats your name? wanna fuck? your place or mine? ;)

        <pyro> then they invited us to their apartament (they were
               roomates)... and that is where I'll let you guys think about
               it!

        <|ps|> ok, hope you underaged kids dont have any bad-thoughs about
               this! so when are you planning to come back to europe?

        <pyro> I think we were attracted to each other simply because we
               didn't understand each other and that we could brag to our
               friends that we induldged in a foreign treat!
               actually I hope to be back in 2 years at the most. I have
               family in Poland and Croatia so that is all the more reason
               to get back as soon as possible.
               I'm waiting for an introduction to some cute Portuguese women
               on my next visit.

        <|ps|> that can be arranged ;)
               what demopartys have you been to and which ones were
               best/worst?

        <pyro> well I've been at Naid 95 and 96.. I've also held MANY scene
               gathering here in Chicago of around 40 people, and recently I
               just went to TO99! I think the best one I went to was Naid 96,
               we had 11 people from the Chicago area make the trip... and
               needless to say that Montreal is a GREAT city!
               after that TO99 roxed big time... I also finally got to meet
               my closest scene contact, Sky of Xography after knowing him
               since 1994.

        <|ps|> family reunion :) aint that sweet?

        <pyro> another cool party, but not strictly scene related was E3 in
               1998.. this time I met up with 30+ demo sceners from all over
               the world that are working in the industry... quite a lot of
               free boozing at the free parties!

        <|ps|> what do you think of european partys compared to the ones in
               the us?

        <pyro> well they are much bigger... at least the one I went to.
               there also are a lot more productions...  I was dissapointed
               though that I didn't see one person besides Sky open up a
               copy of Deluxe Paint or GFX2!!! I definately thought it was
               cool that they were selling booze at the TO party place.
               Cheers go out to The REW for being the main organizer of such
               a nice party.

        Session Close: Wed Sep 22 02:02:25 1999

        Session Start: Thu Sep 30 00:40:32 1999

        <|ps|> are you ready for topquiz show contest? :)

        <pyro> sure. I always suck at trivia. unless its HARDCORE scene
               trivia.

        <|ps|> 1) whats the capital of madagascar?

        <pyro> fux if I know...  why didn't you ask me for the capital of
               Mongolia.

        <|ps|> 2) whats your favorite sex position?

        <pyro> when the chiq is riding me!

        <|ps|> 3) whats your favorite color?

        <pyro> blue.

        <|ps|> 4) what is the best country is the world?

        <pyro> KAZAKSTAN!  with Poland in 2nd.

        <|ps|> 5) what is the matrix?

        <pyro> a mathematical term with the letter 'x' in it.

        <|ps|> do you have a pet?

        <pyro> nope... had a fish, he died.

        <|ps|> did you gave him a proper burrial or was he flushed down the
               toilet?

        <pyro> I gave him up to the toilet gods... they were quite happy.

        <|ps|> so you said you started on this scene biz on 93! how were
               things back then and how have they developed?

        <pyro> things were smaller...  almost everyone elite had contact
               with each other... now the amount of people are HUGE.. yet
               the number of truly elite people is about the same... and
               unfortunately many don't have contact with each other.
               some of the parties this year seem to have changed that a bit
               and the 'scene' atmosphere is back. but there will always be
               cheesy things that exist...

        <|ps|> cheesy things?

        <pyro> well sometimes people get to carried away with being too nice
               to newbies or stessing how they are friends with everyone
               even tho they have only said 1-2 lines to each other.

        <|ps|> i see i see :) lets talk likes and dislikes!
               what are your fav coder/gfx/musician?

        <pyro> well musicians it has to be Scorpik and Jugi...
               for coders I'm a bit more old school biased...  I'm a big fan
               of Stone of Dust, Jmagic of Complex, and the newest guy is
               216 of MFX... this guy rox! and for artists.. I could go for
               hours..  but my top 3 are...
               1. Ra 2. Cyclone 3. Jamon and honorable mention to Sky!
               I forgot one musician.. and I feel horrible about it...
               #1 all time is Emax of TRSi.. this guy is my god.

        <|ps|> humm.. you dont happen to know what happened to him do you?
               i used one of his tracks on one of my lame demos like..
               2 years ago without premission.. i cant find his email
               anywhere :P

        <pyro> man... I wish I did... I would love to work with him really
               badly...  so if anyone is reading this please get me his
               contact info.
               one time I tracked down his name and that was it. :)
               he never included anything in his song info texts.

        <|ps|> i noticed he didnt :P just an emax/trsi somewhere and that
               was it..

        <pyro> all i know is he's german.  :)

        <|ps|> ok.. reward for finding emax/trsi is up :)
               now.. what are your favorite intro/demo?

        <pyro> intros.. anything by Complex or MFX... especially BillGForce,
               and Gamma.

        <|ps|> gamma2 kicks rears on big screens :)

        <pyro> demos... I'm a huge fan of Sunflower and Pulse... and another
               one of my cult favorites is Plastik by Chrome

        <|ps|> why?

        <pyro> it has some cool music, and some great art by Das..
               another reward goes out to anyone that know what happend to
               DAS! Emax and Das need to be contacted immediately.

        <|ps|> :) what do you do on real life?

        <pyro> well I recently graduated university and am now working for a
               HUGE consulting firm called Arthur Andersen... its boring but
               pays very well. besides that I like to hit clubs and play
               soccer.

        <|ps|> whats your soccer team?

        <pyro> its a club team called 'green & white' its more of a
               recreational league now tho since I can't dedicate as much
               time to it as I did in school.

        <|ps|> have you ever won any game?

        <pyro> quite a few... we always seem to do better in the indoor
               league tho.

        <|ps|> :) ok, i dont know whatelse to ask! feel like saying
               something stupid for the masses?

        <pyro> don't get fat. and try to hit on women telling them how
               awesome of a coder you are.. they always love that.

        <|ps|> ok.. thank you for your time! you can leave your email here :)

        <pyro> yea.. mail me at paul@heroin.net or paul@demos.org

        Session Close: Thu Sep 30 01:25:42 1999


=====! demo !==================================================================

        GoatAge by Noice (final version)
        Found at www.noice.org
        1st place at Remedy'99

        System requirements:
        PII 233 or better, 5.4 MB HD, 64 MB RAM, Windows9x

        Ramblings:
          Begin September, ps asked me to review GoatAge/Noice, the winner
        of Remedy'99, as Gnilk/Noice had asked him why we had not reviewed
        it. As a matter of facts, I had already reviewed it, but for Static
        Line, a monthly e-mag that is less Well known than DemoJournal.
        Generally, I don't like to see the same article (be it mine or other
        peoples) in different mags. But because there is a final version
        available, I can "update" the review, so it is not EXACTLY the same
        article, and my conscience is clear :) I've simply added things about
        the final version in [brackets], because 1) I'm lazy, 2) it might be
        interesting to know what bugs were fixed in the final.
        BTW, you can get Static Line at http://www.ic.l7.net/statline

        The demo:
          This is definitely one of the best demos I've seen recently,
        despite the fact that it is a (slow) partyversion, and win-only.
        [The summer has brought us many good demos, but GoatAge is still
        very good, and is now much faster.] It has a strange kind of feeling,
        as there are impressive and well-done effects, but often with funny
        details or crazy "poems", like: "I walk my path/to the virtual
        goatland/facing my destiny/at the edge of destruction/reaching out
        for my life". On the 3D-side, there is a scary ride in some
        metro-tunnels, a strange phong-shaded globe-like thingy with three
        mirrors and particle-trails and lots of flares (visual overkill, but
        I like it a lot), and lots of smaller objects, such as a recursive
        cube, usually with a nice background and/or an additional 2D-effect.
        The radial blur is a bit over-used sometimes, for example during the
        credits. Maybe that's why they show them again at the end, in a
        (very slow) upscroll. There are some nice transitions between parts,
        like the strange 2D-plasma that wraps around an object, revealing
        the next part. There is one funny hand-draw picture of an angry goat,
        the others are photoshopped backgrounds of an astronaut in space, a
        human skull with green brains and Leonardo Da Vinci's human body
        (you know, with the arms & legs spread and a circle around it).
        [In addition, there is a new start-up screen now, that most of us
        will recognize from Hugi 16] There's no real theme in it, but
        somehow, they seem to fit the demo. The big white font at the end
        is a bit ugly due to the anti-aliasing of the horizontal lines (no,
        sometimes it's just not necessary) [, and the mixed upper/lowercase
        letters].

        The music:
          There are two tunes, the main theme and the outtro. The main theme
        starts slowly with a soft melody and slow drums, then it gets more
        rhythmical, a bit theatrical at the title sequence. Then we hear a
        voice sample (something about nuclear weapons, while the goat-picture
        is shown :)), and after that it burst into a typical demo-soundtrack:
        lots of fast percussion together with a catchy tune, with an
        occasional break or a slower part, for example in the metro-tunnels.
        The endtune is really well done, a nostalgic melody alternated by
        military-style drum rolls, with the typical "It's all over,
        folks"-feeling. The main parts of the demo are synchronized to the
        music, so due to the swapping-slowdowns, some parts might end too
        fast (some messages are shown only half etc). [Again, this is partly
        fixed in the final version. If you click the 64-meg-box at startup,
        only half the demo is loaded at the beginning. The other half is
        loaded between two 3D-parts, making the screen freeze for a few
        seconds.]

        Overall:
          Well, the first time I watched it, I was really curious what would
        follow next, all through the demo. No "oh no, not again a <totally
        overused effect>!" feeling, it really grabs your attention (although
        in my case, my attention was easy to get as I should have been
        studying "object-oriented languages and software development II").
        [I passed that exam! Yahoo!] It's varied, never boring, the music is
        great and there is some humor in it, albeit rather strange humor :).
        The most bad points are on the technical side, the swapping-slowdowns
        are really irritating, and sometimes a few meshes disappear (DirectX
        error?). I hope they'll fix that in the final version. [And yes,
        they did :). Although you can still see some missing pixels, if you
        know where to look.] Also, there is no greeting-part, of course this
        is not an "error", but when I first noticed it, it felt so strange
        that I watched it again just to check if I overlooked it. So maybe
        it's better to wait for the final, but if you're curious: go ahead,
        you'll enjoy it anyway. [ And with the final, you've no excuse for
        not having seen this. Get it!]

        Secret part:
          To see the "secret part" mentioned in the info-file, add the word
        "goatpower" on the first line of the README.TXT. It wasn't really
        hard to find, as the .exe is not zipped, and you can find "goatpower"
        next to "readme.txt" in it. [The first secret part was rather
        annoying to watch, but now there are three secret parts, and if you
        like oldskool, the two new ones are great! To see them, do the same
        thing as above but with "tribute" and "feting"].
                                                                        Seven


=====! intro !=================================================================

          i  originally  wanted  to  review  the  two great historical
          intro  entries  from  ragest  99 called: slumpism/pathos and
          azoic/chrysalis.   why   they   are   historical? - you ask.
          because  they  saved  the dying hungarian scene, and gave us
          much  feeling and now we see the future in pink and optimis-
          tic.  (bad  for  you  outta magyarorsz g. :)) congratulation
          again to the both groups, names in no alphabetical order:

                    g?za@pathos                       [code]
                   manka@pathos and autopsy and tpolm [music]
                    nobo@chrysalis                    [code]
                   tbyte@chrysalis                    [code]
                magnetic@teklords and inqisition      [music]

          the  full article about these "kult" intros will be avaiable
          in  the  next  fleur,  hahahh, not here. all what i can say,
          check them. avaiable in good stores near you.

                        d-l? . xc?d + h j?bb = fl??r


=====! music !=================================================================

        Noby / The Sound of Helsinki : human fiction ep
        available at http://come.to/tsh
        autumn 1999

        I said I was going to look forwards Noby's next release and
        goddamn it was for a good reason. These three .XM:s are
        filled with fast et hard pounding detroit techno crafted
        with tekniq and edge which leave little to be unsatisfied
        and even give some extra. Even while this "review" is just
        cliches glued together you should check this out and go
        get it if you enjoy detroit or any techno at all.
                                                                     np. Lamb


=====! quote !=================================================================

        Q: what is a 64kb intro ?
        A: a 90kb sized demo which does not run from windows
                                                                   bam!eVolve


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        Milk.......................................http://milk.sgic.fi
	MAZ's Sound homepage.............http://www.th-zwickau.de/~maz
        Mo'playaz..........................http://ssmedion.de/moplayaz
        Mono211.................................http://www.mono211.com
        Noise................................http://www.noisemusic.org
        One Touch Records......................http://otr.planet-d.net
        Radical Rhythms.....http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/merrelli/rr
        Ruff Engine................http://members.xoom.com/ruff_engine
        Sound Devotion................http://sugarbomb.x2o.net/soundev
        Tequila........................http://www.defacto2.net/tequila
        Tempomusic...........................http://tempomusic.cjb.net
        Theralite...........................http://theralite.avalon.hr
        Tokyo Dawn Records........................http://tdr.scene.org
        UltraBeat.........................http://www.innerverse.com/ub

        People:

        3d addict...................http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc5877
        Carlos..............................http://www.nexus.hu/carlos
        Dave.............................http://www.come.to/davecorner
        DaVinci.................................http://davinci.ice.org
        Echo................................http://www.kki.net.pl/echo
        Exocet........................http://www.avaric.com/jff/exocet
        Flan.............................http://www.error-404.com/flan
        Gardner................................http://www.gardner.z.pl
        Grabule........................http://members.xoom.com/grabule
        Hunz............................http://www.globec.com.au/~hunz
        HP........................................http://hp.pardey.org
        Inferno............................http://inferno.planet-d.net
        Jimsendu............................http://home.sol.no/ojakobs
	Jupiter....................http://members.xoom.com/JupiterCode
	Leviathan....................http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ajcarlso
	Los........................http://www.angelfire.com/in/miku305
	Mephisto.............................http://www.chez.com/shiva
 <*>    Nekrite.....................................http://move.to/ap0
        Nico....................................http://geecs.org/~nico
        Nogsf..............................http://www.saers.com/~nogsf
        Pow.................................http://home.sol.no/~tskara
        Rents................................http://newdigital.tsx.org
        Rez.................................http://reeeeez.citeweb.net
        Rod.................................http://www.inf.bme.hu/~rod
	Scorpik............................http://scorpik.planet-d.net
	Shodan...............................http://shodan.skytech.org
	Skal..................................http://skal.planet-d.net
	Spell.........................http://www.ThePentagon.com/Spell
	Splif..............................http://splif.aegis-corp.org
        TheREW..............................http://home.wxs.nl/~therew
        Traven..............................http://traven.planet-d.net
	TS................................http://www2.hawaii.edu/~myee
        Tuo.....................................http://tuo.skytech.org
        Unlock...........................http://www.profzone.ch/unlock
        Vivid..................................http://vivid.kosmic.org
	Wain.............http://zevs.ifi.ntnu.no/~frankwer/gfx/gfx.htm
	Willbe...................................http://willbe.cjb.net
        Zden....................................http://message.sk/zden

        Others:
        
        Arf!Studios..........................http://www.arfstudios.org
        Calodox demolinks exchange.....http://calodox.planet-d.net/cde
        Chiptune...............................http://www.chiptune.com
        #coders..................................http://coderz.cjb.net
        Comic Pirates.........................http://scene-central.com
        Demo fanclub........................http://jerware.org/fanclub
        Digital Undergrounds.....................http://dug.iscool.net
        Dreams2 CD.........................http://nl.scene.org/dreams2
        Freax...................http://freax.scene-hu.com/mainmenu.htm
        GfxZone.................................http://www.gfxzone.org
        Hugi size-compo...............http://home.pages.de/~hugi-compo
        Orange Juice.........................http://ojuice.citeweb.net
	PC-demos explained.....http://www.oldskool.org/demos/explained
	Pixel...................................http://pixel.scene.org
        Scenet.........................http://www.hackerland.de/scenet
        Swiss......................http://www.profzone.ch/vantage/list
        TakeOver................................http://www.takeover.nl
        Textmode Demo Archive.................http://tmda.planet-d.net
        Hungarian scene page...................http://www.scene-hu.com
        Trebel...................................http://www.trebel.org
        Zen of Tracking.........................http://surf.to/the-imm

        Diskmags:

        Amber...............................http://amber.bti.pl/di_mag
        Amnesia...............http://amnesia-dist.future.easyspace.com
	Demojournal....................http://demojournal.planet-d.net
        Fleur................................http://fleur.scene-hu.com
	Heroin...................................http://www.heroin.net
        Hugi........................http://home.pages.de/~hugidownload
        PAiN............................http://www.space.ch/scene/pain
        Static Line......................http://www.ic.l7.net/statline
	Total Disaster...................http://www.totaldisaster.w.pl
	TUHB.......................................http://www.tuhb.org

        Ftps:

	Amber.......................................ftp://amber.bti.pl
	Cyberbox.....................................ftp://cyberbox.de
        Flerp............<new files listed>.......ftp://flerp.scene.hu
	Scene.org........<new files listed>........ftp://ftp.scene.org
	Skynet archive.................ftp://acid2.stack.nl/pub/skynet
	ACiD2 Archive.............................ftp://acid2.stack.nl


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I have just read Zilog review in DJ#58, and want to write some facts:

1. I had to use RAR, because i delivered the demo to party organizers on
   two floppies. Inside the RAR files was a ZIP file... I don't know who
   sent the RAR files to scene.org instead of that ZIP file...

2. Actually you can't find final version of demo at Hellcore's home page,
   as editor replied. You can however find it at my personal page:
   http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mrock (or http://mrock.iscool.net,
   if you like pop-up windows with banners ;). But it seems, that it's
   not as final as people would expect...

3. Ok, now about my computer :). I got old'n'rusty 486dx4/100+16mb.
   (so, MMX is not used at all!). Zilog does not crash on it in any
   configuration (xms/ems/w95osr2). I tested demo also on Yez's
   Celeron 333, and it also worked fine (under dos) (errmm OK, after
   a little bugfix ;))...
   Configuration of Gravity compo machine you can probably find on
   Gravity homepage (look at demojournal's "party on!" section, that url
   is there). Zilog also did not crash on that machine.

4. A week ago, Yez told me, that Zilog now crashes on his machine, after
   he installed w98se (i understand that crashes when running under win).
   Also last days Io/Fuse told me, that Zilog crashes on his computer
   (p200 or sth) in every configuration. And now I have read that review
   in DemoJournal and realized, that Zilog crashes on 50% of computers :).

So, in a week or two, I will try to test Zilog on one of these fatal
computers, and personally see, how it crashes. I will put the "even
more final version" on my page (of course, if I find that buggy code
;)). But now, just keep rebooting. :)
                                                                        mrock


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