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Hi John,

Here is a weird thing with the Daily digest.....

number 5 and 6 are 6. Perhaps even #4, which i didn't receive (also number
1 .... i'm going to check now.)

I have included this one:


gus-general-server@dsd.es.com (GUS Server) writes:

>
>GUS Daily Digest            Mon, 6 Dec 93   007          Volume 9: Issue   6  
>
>Today's Topics:
>                       Blake Stone + ultrawlf?
>                                CD-ROM
>                  CyberRace and GUS - does it work??
>                          GUS and Falcon 3.0
>                        GUS Daily Digest V9 #4
>                   GUS Daily Digest V9 #5 (4 msgs)
>              GUS vs. SB16 - A user's report (LOOOOONG)
>                               IndyCar
>                            MIDI Software
>                      Mitsumi CD-ROM Audio Cable
>                 Music File Player needed for the GUS
>                           On OS/2 DRivers
>               Orchid card beats GUS in Review (2 msgs)
>                      Orchid SoundWave/GameWave
>                             OS/2 drivers
>                     Problems with GUS and Window
>                              QSound...
>                            Returned mail
>
>Standard Info:
>	- Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest.
>	- Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 20:34:42 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Mike Finkel <mfinkel@metronet.com>
>Subject: Blake Stone + ultrawlf?
>
>Can the ultrawlf modifications be applied to Blake Stone?  It uses 
>virtually the same file naming scheme - I just don't know about the inner 
>workings of the files of BS compared to Wolf.
>
>I cannot seem to get it to sound right with SBOS 2.08 - loses many sounds 
>intermittently.  Sometimes I will hear the guards scream, sometimes not 
>(usually not).  Most of the time I will not hear my gun fire.  The door 
>sounds are intermittent as well.  The music sounds nice though (along 
>with the other FM effects).
>
>Any ideas would be greatly appreciated
>
>Michael
>mfinkel@metronet.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 17:33:29 -0800 (PST)
>From: Vincent Poy <hippo@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu>
>Subject: CD-ROM
>
>I was wondering if I had a Toshiba 3401 SCSI CD-ROM drive and a GUS,
>besides saving a slot, what difference would it be if I hooked up the
>CD-ROM to my Adaptec 1742A SCSI Controller, would I still be able to get
>sound from the CD-ROM out of the Soundcard? Thanks.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Vince
>hippo@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
>root@kingdom.com
>System Administrator/Owner 
>Kingdom Communications Inc./California Unix Public Access Systems Inc.
>San Francisco, California USA
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 20:31:36 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Mike Finkel <mfinkel@metronet.com>
>Subject: CyberRace and GUS - does it work??
>
>Anyone been able to get CyberRace to work with sounds?  It uses Dos4GW 
>1.9 - making it incompatible with Megaem.  SBOS 2.08 seems to mess up the 
> voc files the game uses for voice.  I cannot locate any drivers per se 
>to be able to replace them with the ultramid ones.  
>
>SBOS (with just about any -O? flags combinations) either makes the 
>dialogue echo or makes it disappear completely.  Any suggestions would be 
>appreciated.
>
>
>Mike Finkel
>mfinkel@metronet.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 00:23:17 -0500
>From: Carl Pettypiece <pettypi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca>
>Subject: GUS and Falcon 3.0
>
>Hello, fellow GUSsers!
>
>   I haven't seen this problem posted before so it's either easy to solve
>or I have a peculiar problem.  Anyway....
>
>   I can't for the life of me get Falcon 3.0 to work properly with my GUS,
>either with SBOS or MegaEm (I'd prefer MegaEm, of course).  MegaEm has no
>problems with the Roland emulation, the music sounds great.  However, the
>digitized sounds are distorted and slow the system down horribly when they
>play.  It sounds much better on my PC speaker (ack!).  The same symptoms
>occur with both MegaEm and SBOS.  For example, during the intro you're
>supposed to hear birds chirping cheerfully before being interrupted by
>the two jets (I know this 'cause that's what my PC speaker plays -- without
>slowdown, I might add).  Instead I get what sound like apes (quite amusing
>at first) and the frame rate is terrible until the sound is done (which is
>long before the MiG is splashed).  The frame rate is about 1 per sec with
>SBOS and not much better with MegaEm.  During play, the game appears to halt
>every time a digitized sound is played, which has lost me a fight more than
>once.  With MegaEm, the game will crash when trying to play a Roland effect
>and a SB effect simultaneously (I have to hit the big red switch).
>
>   Ok, now for my set up.  Not much unusual here.  I'm using DOS 6.0 and
>DoubleSpace (on a different drive, not where Falcon is).  I'm using either of
>EMM386 (that which came with DOS 6.0) or QEMM 6.00, doesn't seem to make
>any difference.  I'm not trying to use clever stealth or video ram stuff.
>Oh and my motherboard is a C&T type with '89 AMI BIOS 386DX/25.  The only
>unusual thing I have (but I can't see why it would have any effect) is an old
>IBM mono video card I use for debugging Windows stuff.  Oh, and my COM2 modem
>is set at IRQ5 but I'm not doing H2H yet, I'll burn that bridge when I get to
>it.
>
>   What I've tried:  I played about with MegaEm's settings, turning off
>Roland emulation and even the -fgdt switch to see if it worked.  I increased
>the DMA buffer for both EMM386 and QEMM.  I changed my GUS IRQ and DMA from
>16 bit to 8 bit.  I got rid of SmartDrive.
>
>   What I haven't tried:  I haven't lifted the hood yet, so I haven't disabled
>my modem or the other video card.
>
>   What I've noticed:  This game works perfectly with MegaEm for a friend of
>mine.  He has a 486DX2/66 and uses DOS 5.0 and QEMM 6.0.  I also have many
>games which work great, most relavent I guess is X-Wing.  No lock-ups, no
>slow-downs with MegaEm, just perfect.
>
>   Anyway, if this problem is familiar to someone or if you have a sugestion
>I would appreciate any help.  Post to the digest or e-mail, I can post a
>summary.  Thanks a lot.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Carl Pettypiece (pettypi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca)        Disclaimer:  Hell, I don't
>Department of Computer Science                   even know if these are MY
>University of Western Ontario                    opinions!
>London, Ontario, Canada
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                        Clever quote goes here
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 10:05:59 +1100 (EST)
>From: Charlie Brady <charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au>
>Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V9 #4
>
>On Sat, 4 Dec 1993, GUS Server wrote:
>
>> 
>> Date: 3 Dec 93 18:43:44 +0100
>> From: Tom Skoglund <Toso@bbb.no>
>> Subject: GUS<->OS/2 2.1
>> 
>> I have a few questions about GUS <-> OS/2 2.1:
>> 
>> - I have a GUS-card with CD-ROM interface (daugther-board) and a
>>   Panasonic CR-562B CD-ROM. I wonder if there is support for this setup
>>   for OS/2 2.1 ?
>> 
>> - I would also like to know when and where I may get GUS-drivers for
>>   OS/2.
>> 
>>  Tom Skoglund               
>>  E-mail: Toso@oscar.bbb.no 
>
>Tom,
>I've been trying to find out about CD-ROM interface cards for GUS, without
>getting definitive information. Is the daughter card from Gravis? How much?
>Are there DOS/Windows drivers? If I can get one of these and there is no 
>Linux driver, I can work on one if I can get the technical information.
>
>Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au
>"Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__
>  but no simpler"   Einstein, A  | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems    \/  
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 03:00:57 -0500 (EST)
>From: fwang@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Frank Wang)
>Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V9 #5
>
>> From: EVIL GM <CHEDBERG@hamp.hampshire.edu>
>
>> 4) Mega-em in every box!
>> 	This is, of course, a droolware package, not a real expectation,
>Why not?  doesn't anyone else think that Gravis is shooting themselves in the
>foot big time by not including this program with their GUS's?
>
>I think there are likely to be lots of people who are returning it - because
>they don't have ftp or internet access.  Such an important utility to not be
>included.  I expect this to change soon, though.
>
>
>> The Orchid SoundWave 32SE got 88% in the November issue of PC Format,
>> beating GUS (with 87%). The list price is 189.00 (umm, about $230.00)
>[stuff deleted]
>>  o 512k on-board ROM chips with samples.
>     ^^^^
>er, uh?  I assume this some sort of typo?  How can a soundcard with 512k
>ROM samples beat anything?  even with some sort of compression - any 
>respective ROM card should have at least 4 megs of samples.  
>
>
>			- Frank Wang
>			  fwang@sbcs.sunysb.edu
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93   007 
>From: GUS Server <gus-general-server@dsd.es.com>
>Subject: GUS Daily Digest V9 #5
>Message-ID: <9312050912.AA00549@lhasa.sauria>
>
>GUS Daily Digest            Sun, 5 Dec 93   007          Volume 9: Issue   5  
>
>Today's Topics:
>                              3D sound.
>                  Creative Labs Voice Assist & GUS?
>                     European Registration Cards
>                         GUS and Windows MIDI
>                   GUS Daily Digest V9 #4 (2 msgs)
>                      Minidiscs and missing info
>                       More on X-Wing and QEMM
>                          on OS/2 Drivers...
>                   Orchid card beats GUS in Review
>
>Standard Info:
>	- Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest.
>	- Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 19:56:10 -0400
>From: mauricio@unlp.unlp.edu.ar
>Subject: 3D sound.
>
>My name is Mauricio Lumbreras. I am working in hypertexts for blind people.
>2 weeks ago I was in EEUU (attending in Seattle at Hypertext 93) and there 
>I bought a GUS. When I arrived to Argentina I get disappointed because I 
>don't found the 3D sound.
>Where o when I can get drivers, software, HRTF tables,etc. to get 3D
>sound?
>I will be very grateful if somebody could give me the answer.
>
>Mauricio F. Lumbreras
>LIFIA - Fac. Cs. Exactas - Universidad Nacional de La Plata
>email: mauricio@unlp.edu.ar
>ARGENTINA
>
> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 19:16:55 +0100
>From: chief@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Creative Labs Voice Assist & GUS?
>
>Anyone know if Creative Labs "Voice Assist" will work with the GUS ?
>Sounds interesting enough, and I've looked for such a program for
>some time now.
>
>Erik
>chief@lysator.liu.se
>
> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 19:15:42 +0100
>From: chief@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: European Registration Cards
>
>Mark Bullen <Mark.Bullen@src.bae.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Subject: European Registration
>>
>>European Customers:
>>
>>        Logitech SA, CH-1122 Romanel/Morges, Switzerland
>>
>>Being a `European Customer' I guess that I should send my card to Logitech
>>in Switzerland, but I'm not sure that I'll get put on Gravis' distribution
>>list for update disks :-(
>
>Yes, I sent my card to that address (Logitech in Switzerland), and I got
>my 2.06 disks fine, though I understand your worries. I hesitated myself
>before sending it there. :) Though this was about a year ago, and things
>could've changed? Better check with Gravis first. E-mail John Smith and
>ask the nice fella'. (john.smith@gravis.com)
>
>Erik
>chief@lysator.liu.se
>
> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 93 12:55:59 CST
>From: Erick_Bergquist@edtng.Kenosha.WI.US (Erick Bergquist)
>Subject: GUS and Windows MIDI
>
>Hello,
>
>  Recently I have installed the new GUS Drivers for Windows
>(GUS0035.ZIP/ARJ),
>and I can not get the MIDI to work, WAVE works fine. I have double-checked
>my .INI files, and have checked my GUS Settings. And can't seem to figure
>out why MIDI isn't working. 
>
>It may be in midi-map setup though, there are choices there with the new
>drivers that weren't there before. IE: (Ultrasound, Ultra1024, Ultra256,
>Ultra512, 1024Drums, and a few others). And I have a hunch that the
>midimap.cfg isn't correct and thats what the problem is. 
>
>Anyone know how to fix this? I have a 1024k GUS btw.
>
>I also have removed the drivers, and re-installed them, but only WAVE.
>
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> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 16:04:42 -0600 (CST)
>From: Antonio Guia <guia@CC.UManitoba.CA>
>Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V9 #4
>
>to the user with the recording problems (kmellis@santafe.edu?)
>
>your mail bounced back to me.   the problem you are having with recording
>in windows, you described that it works fine on a fresh windows
>installation but not in your present windows installation.
>
>print out the contents of your system.ini file, and check the file dates
>of all those files included in it (in your system directory), then check
>the dates of the same files in your fresh installation, rename the ones in
>your fresh installation and copy them to your present system directory,
>then try renaming the drivers to the old ones one at a time until you find
>out which one it is that prevents your recording.   
>
>many programs when they install themselves assume that their drivers will
>be more recent than the windows drivers, however by overwriting the
>windows drivers they end up disabling other programs, an example comes to
>mind where i installed a recent program which replaced bwcc.dll with a
>more recent copy, then later i installed another, older program, which
>assumed its bwcc.dll was the most recent, and so replaced it, suddenly my
>recent program would not work anymore, and the installation does not make
>backups or ask before replacing files.   quite a messy state of affairs.
>
> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 17:27:45 -0500
>From: Greg Chung <gchung@pegasus.rutgers.edu>
>Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V9 #4
>
>Regarding the Minidisc idea (ATRAC).  Matt Voss suggests someone write an
>algorithm that the GUS could use.  While I'm sure it could be done, if it
>was easy, everyone would have it already.  8:1 compression of audio is
>great, and I don't see how you can do it just by 'recording the sounds
>we can actually hear'.  There's probably a much more complex (patented)
>system... (any volunteers for corporate spy?)  Conceivably the same methods
>could be applied to ANY soundcard, not just the GUS.
>
>Also -- regarding the 16bit sampling that Jacque mentioned.  Okay, maybe you
>WILL use it, but not everyone will.  It's better that the standard doesn't
>come with 16bit recording to keep the base price down.  
>
> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 93 12:33 EDT
>From: EVIL GM <CHEDBERG@hamp.hampshire.edu>
>Subject: Minidiscs and missing info
>
>	To the person with minidisc mania:
>	The reason that minidiscs, as you said, are so good at compressing data
>is because they use a lossy compression algorithm. The minidisc doesn't
>actually store all the info fed to it. Like JPEG compression, it gets rid of
>some stuff to be able to squeeze the "important" stuff in. As you said, the
>algorithm only strips the parts it doesn't expect you to be able to hear, but
>first of all, it isn't always the most discriminating program, and second of
>all, some musical effects aren't heard, they are felt. 
>	Bass effects (the thudding of the floor, the ominous feeling you get in
>movie theatres) results from some audible and some subsonic effects. I want to
>see what these things do to something with a lot of bass. See, a real
>audiophile is going to _want_ those little extra bits that get dropped out,
>just as when I stare at a JPEG, I can sometimes tell that something's missing.
>While data compression is definitely going to make future headlines, _lossy_
>compression is not the way to go. 
>	Many other soundboards incorporate onboard compression hardware. The SB
>16 ASP has a processor devoted to it, and I think the PAS-16 does also, but
>don't quote me. I just want to make the point that you can have your cake and
>eat it too. Why accept lossy compression when you don't need to? 
>	I realize this is a digression, so I'll bring it back to the current
>topic floating around on the list, which seems to be:
>What I Want On My Gus Max
>(A holiday shopping list for Garvis to look at)
>
>1) A digital sound processor to aid in data compression.
>2) Simms to increase the amount of memory availableinto the Megabyte range
>	(And beyond? Drool, drool!)
>3) Fiber-optic leads for digital-direct recording.
>4) Mega-em in every box!
>
>	This is, of course, a droolware package, not a real expectation,
>but it never hurts to mention such things. All I _really_ want is a speedy
>release! Good luck, Gravis! We appreciate your hard work!
>						-Chris Hedberg
>
> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 04 Dec 93 17:31:04 -0500
>From: "Momentary language, sexual situations" <dantonio@tay2.dec.com>
>Subject: Re: More on X-Wing and QEMM
>
>>  Hmmm.  Have you upgraded your version of QEMM to 7.02?  You need to get
>>  the 7.00 to 7.01 AND the 7.01 to 7.02 patches.  I got mine from the
>>  QEMM bulletin board.  That's the only other thing I can think of...
>
>And while you're there, get the 702to703.zip (or the 701to703.zip)...7.03
>is the latest and (thanks to mikbat@qdeck.com) Stealth is working fine on
>my machine...
>
>DDA
>
> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1993 10:35:40 -0800
>From: Shawn Talbert <ironside@carey.CS.UNLV.EDU>
>Subject: on OS/2 Drivers...
>
>First of all, I am an OS/2 user who owns a GUS... But I say rather than
>push Gravis for os/2 drivers, get them to change their windows drivers
>so that they will work under Win-OS/2..
>
>Think about it... Even if drivers DID exist for os/2, you could only use 
>them with os/2 programs... so the neat software that comes bundled with the
>ultrasound would still be unusable. And at the moment, os/2 is really 
>lacking in sound support (not including MMPM).
>
> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 19:16:12 +0100
>From: chief@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Orchid card beats GUS in Review
>
>Raeann Kneefe <RAEANN@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU> wrote:
>
>>Subject: Dvorak & GUS thoughts
>
>[snip snip]
>
>>Oh, by the way, Orchid is supposedly coming out with a GameWave
>>version of it's wavetable card... That will sell for the same
>>if not lower price than the GUS. I think the GUS will have some
>>stiff competion if it can't come out with an "Advanced" version
>>soon. 
>
>The Orchid SoundWave 32SE got 88% in the November issue of PC Format,
>beating GUS (with 87%). The list price is 189.00 (umm, about $230.00)
>so it's somewhat more expensive than the GUS, but, as Raeann wrote,
>their GameWave card is the same card as the SoundWave only without
>Windows Sound System, and the list price for that one is 132.00
>(that's about $150.00) where the GUS is sold for 149.00. So, what
>does the Orchid SoundWave/GameWave card have?
>
> o SoundBlaster, Disney Sound Source, General MIDI, MPU-401, MT-32 and
>   Microsoft Sound System compability through hardware.
> o Wavetable synthesis (no kidding.. :))
> o 512k on-board ROM chips with samples.
> o ADPCM compression chip for storing 16-bit samples to disk
> o 16-bit recording/playback
> o Built in 4 watt per channel amplifier
>
> and it comes with a pair of speakers and a bunch of software.
>
> They also say that they will _maybe_ release a daughtercard for 3D sound
> capabilities in the near future.
>
> Some quotes from the review ->
>
> "The Gravis UltraSound has one major flaw; its Sound Blaster compability,
>  which it achieves using the SBOS software emulation, is decidedly dodgy."
>
>   Gravis!  Please tell them about Mega-Em. But then again, who _really_
>   -------  still want them Sound Blaster 'sounds' when we can have full-
>            blown 16 bit wavetable synthesis?
>
> "The only thing that the Orchid Soundwave 32SE lacks is the revolutionary
>  3D sound developed by Gravis, which is soon to feature in a number of
>  major game releases - Jurassic Park from Ocean for example."
>
> "The UltraSound software only enables you to record in 8-bit, so the
>  recording quality with the Soundwave is significantly better. That's
>  sure to be great news for anyone who's serious about creating their
>  own music."
>
> "The sound quality is exceptional, easily rivalling the Gravis UltraSound,
>  and surpassing every other 16-bit soundcard..."
>
> and finally...
>
> "If the Soundwave 32SE had the 3D sound function, it would easily outclass
>  the UltraSound."
>
> So it seems as if we're living off of the 3D sound. Only. Hell, who wants
> 512k of ROM samples? Oh well, if you turn to page 105 though, PC Format
> have a competition where the prices are 1,000 worth of Gravis UltraSound
> cards (way to go Gravis!), though there are a couple of "facts" that aren't
> quite right like, that it (the card) normally costs 233.83 (!!) and
> that "this is the best soundcard we've ever reviewed". Probably is though. :)
>
>Erik
>chief@lysator.liu.se
>
> -----------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 93 11:37 GMT
>From: "Mark.Carline" <EEU001@fawdon.northumbria.ac.uk>
>
>register "Mark.Carline"
>
> -----------------------------
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 15:51:17 -0500
>From: Evan Champion <carbon!evanc@uusynap.synapse.org>
>Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V9 #5
>
>> First of all, I am an OS/2 user who owns a GUS... But I say rather than
>> push Gravis for os/2 drivers, get them to change their windows drivers
>> so that they will work under Win-OS/2..
>
>This has a few problems:
>
>1) coming early next year, IBM will be releasing an update to OS/2 to 
>support Win32s, which I understand will allow support for the VxD's (correct
>me if I'm wrong), so why bother fixing the drivers?
>
>2) many OS/2 users, myself included, don't install Windows.  I have no 
>Windows.  I have no real DOS.  My system is OS/2 only, HPFS only.  So, you 
>can see why I want real OS/2 drivers.
> 
>> Think about it... Even if drivers DID exist for os/2, you could only use 
>> them with os/2 programs... so the neat software that comes bundled with the
>> ultrasound would still be unusable. And at the moment, os/2 is really 
>> lacking in sound support (not including MMPM).
>
>The idea is that MMPM/2 IS the sound support.  You write an application to 
>the MMPM standard and your application will work with any soundcard 
>supported by MMPM.  It is the same idea with Presentation Manager and other 
>APIs...  You write to the API and you get device independance.
>
>You can run the stuff that comes bundled with the Ultrasound, just not the 
>Windows part.  Again, this should be fixed early next year with the Win32s 
>support (if my understanding of Win32s and VxDs is correct).
>
>Gravis should:
>
>1) write MMPM/2 support
>2) write a virtual DOS driver for the GUS to allow for faster access by 
>games
>
>And one idea:
>
>3) write a virtual DOS driver for SoundBlaster emulation, Roland emulation, 
>etc. etc.  Supposedly this could be possible, as how would the DOS program 
>be able to tell if there is a sound blaster there or not if the driver says 
>'Oh yeah, I'm a SoundBlaster alright'.  Then just have background tasks
>there to play the SoundBlaster/Roland/whatever emulations.
>
>Evan
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: 5 Dec 93 12:46:00 PST
>From: EBULALACAO@CSUPomona.Edu
>Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V9 #5
>
>I just got Creative Labs' "Voice Assist" and it works WONDERFULLY with the
>GUS!!!  No special add on driver necessary to make it work with the GUS
>except for the Voice Assist software itself and a microphone...which is
>included with the software...although I used my own mike.  Kinda neat...I just
>say the command, and my command is executed!  Wish that worked in my own
>personal life....hehehehe...anyway, for those looking for a nice voice
>recognition software for the GUS for Windows, I highly recomment "VOICE ASSIST"
>by Creative Labs....at last...something from that company that's worth anything.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 18:28:07 -0600 (CST)
>From: read@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (Dave Read)
>Subject: GUS vs. SB16 - A user's report (LOOOOONG)
>
>GUS vs. SB16 -- A user's report.
>
>I had an experience today which I thought might be worth sharing with
>people who are considering buying a GUS or a SoundBlaster 16 or a
>similar card.
>
>It's near Christmas, and the gift I had in mind to give the parents
>was a sound card of some kind.  I personally have a 1 MB GUS in my
>system, and have had it there since June, so a GUS was one of the
>cards I was considering.  However, having had the GUS that long, I am
>well acquainted with the headaches that go with the GUS.  Since the
>folks are all but computer illiterate, I thought perhaps the reputed
>ease of use and installation of the SB16 would be worth the extra $$
>and the possible drop in sound quality...But I wasn't sure.
>
>However, we have a "Best Buy" just down the road which had a special
>on a regular SB16 bundle (no 'ASP' chip, no SCSI; just the basic unit) 
>for $148.  Since the local Computer City carries the GUS for $134 (but
>you have to figure in another $25 for 1-MB memory upgrade), it
>actually put the SB bundle in at about $15 less than the fully-loaded
>GUS.  I figured that since Best Buy has a generous return policy, it
>would be easy enough to buy the SB, install it in my machine, and
>check it out for a day before sending it home (or taking it back).
>This is my account of the day's discoveries and proceedings.
>
>First off, the SB16 has a much more professional and attractive
>package (box, manuals, etc...), with much more documentation than the
>GUS.  The package came with a bunch of software, including a "text-to-
>speech" utility, all the MM player stuff, a voice-recognition package
>for Windows, a small animation package, and a few other goodies.)
>It also came with an output cable (stereo mini on one end, two RCA
>plugs on the other) and a lightweight "karaoke" microphone, two 
>useful pieces of hardware which are conspicuously missing from the 
>GUS package.  Unpacking it was a fun experience, flipping through 
>all the manuals, imagining the novice users' "Oh, wow" quotient through 
>the whole thing.
>
>Installing the SB was not nearly the pain-free experience I had
>expected it to be, but that was not all SB's fault.  I basically gave
>up on the idea of getting the SB and the GUS to coexist after about 10
>minutes, but that was really no loss since I wanted only one of the
>cards in place in the long run!  One minus on the SB is the single
>output jack, which forces you to change a jumper if you use an
>outboard amplifier (which I do).  I like the GUS's "Amp-out" / "Line
>out" pair much better.
>
>After doing the basic install of the SB, I tried to run X-wing with
>it.  No sound at all, but no crash, either.  It turns out that you do
>indeed have to load a small driver to make the SB work in 'FM' mode
>under DOS.  No problem.  Load the driver, re-start X-Wing.  The first thing
>I notice is that the sound levels are extremely low...reach over and
>turn up the volume on the stereo amp on my desk.  The next thing I
>notice is that the sound sucks.  Mind you, it's better than when I had
>my GUS running under SBOS, but it's nowhere near as good as the GUS
>with Mega-Em.  The instruments all sound very "computery" instead of
>sounding very "natural" like they do with the GUS/MegaEm combo.  Then
>I play with it a little.  Some things actually sound better with the
>SB.  For instance, the doors make a sound when they open...But not with
>the GUS/MegaEm combo.  I understand that it's because the sounds are
>made as SB instructions so they are basically discarded by X-Wing when 
>it is running in GM mode, but they are still nice nonetheless.  Also,
>the reverberating tones made when targeting during a mission are
>better under the SB mode...But many of the other sounds are worse.
>The musical score bites with the SB.
>
>OK, enough X-Wing...The folks will be using it under Windows.  How
>does it sound there?  I fire up Windows, and the entire machine locks
>up.  Dead.  Won't even respond to the three-finger salute.  I restart,
>make sure that all references to the GUS are gone from Windows' .ini
>files, and go for it again.  Dead again.  This time I figure out that
>the problem is that SB's normal IRQ is set to be IRQ 5, which my SCSI
>adapter software wants while running windows...So I turn off the
>power, change the jumper on the SB, restart, edit autoexec.bat and
>config.sys, and reboot.  Go for Windows.  This time it works, and the
>SB install program installs a bunch of stuff
>
>I went straight for GoldWave to check out some .WAVs.  I checked out
>several that I recorded with my GUS, and several which I grabbed off
>the net.  In all cases, there was this really annoying hihg-frequency
>hiss that was basically not present when the same files were played
>through the GUS.  I also recorded a few through the SB, and the hiss
>was there, too...I came to the conclusion that the SB output amplifier
>sucks, or that the DAC has some noise in it.  Either way, the sound
>quality was noticably worse than my GUS's.
>
>Then I played some MIDI files.  This process is definitely easier than
>doing it on the GUS...no patch-cacheing, no oddball programs and/or
>setups to deal with, no fumbling around for 30 minutes before getting
>the first note out of the system.  Also no great sound.  The
>synthesized MIDI notes sounded uniformly 'electronic' to me, whereas
>they sounded almost natural through the GUS.
>
>Finally, I tried out the SB's 'Voice Assist' software.  Surprisingly,
>it worked very well, recognizing the commands I had trained it to
>catch on the first try almost every time.  It's a nice toy, but I
>don't really see myself (or anyone else) using it for any serious
>voice-control of their machine.
>
>So decision time is here, and the decision is a remarkably tough one
>to make.  
>
>The SB's good points are its compatibility with everything out there, 
>its great 'extra' features like the software, the microphone, etc..., 
>and its slightly cheaper price over the fully-configured GUS.  Its bad 
>points are the amazingly bad sound quality, regardless of application 
>and a few twiddly things like the single output jack.
>
>The GUS's good qualities are its surprisingly realistic and rich sound
>quality.  Its bass is remarkably good!  Under Windows, the GUS is a
>champion .WAV player, with very little static or hiss.  Its down
>points are the slightly higher price, the lack of a few 'nice' geegaws
>like the 'Voice Assist' software and cables, the lack of easy 
>compatibility with the existing SB standard, and the somewhat
>troublesome effort required to play MIDI files under Windows.
>
>Presently I am undecided.  I initially expected to be pleased with the
>SB, despite the constant bragging of GUS owners.  I also expected that
>the extra software, goodies, and compatibility that come with the SB 
>would make enough of a difference that I would go with the SB for the
>folks.  However, the sound quality of the SB is so bad when compared 
>to the GUS that I have great trouble giving it to them as a gift.  I
>know that the SB will probably be more 'fun' for them in the short
>term, but I have great reservations about giving them something which
>I feel is technologically inferior, and I think that eventually
>similar software will become availble for the GUS...Hell, the SB
>software might work with my GUS when I re-install it! :)  The end of
>this story is that I will probably return the SB, buy a GUS for them,
>and steel myself for the upcoming year of phone calls to me when the
>GUS doesn't *quite* work with software product XXX.
>
>
>-Dave
>
>
>-- 
>Dave Read   (read@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu)      "When in doubt, sheet it out."
>UT-Austin Heavy Ion Physics Grad Student 
>PGP public key available by 'finger'              G O   B R A V E S ! !
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 14:26:03 -0800
>From: brian@ccnext.ucsf.edu (Brian Huddleston)
>Subject: IndyCar
>
>Has anyone gotten Indy car racing to work with Ultrasound?  I've tried Megaem,
>Miles, and Sbos, and all i get is silence....please help.
>
>brian@ccnext.ucsf.edu
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 12:21:02 -0800 (PST)
>From: Vincent Poy <hippo@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu>
>Subject: MIDI Software
>
>	I am looking for some software to play MIDI's under DOS and the
>playmidi won't play some files since it says:
>
>Error: Expecting MTrk, corrupt Midi file? 
>
>Does anyone know of any good Free/Shareware MIDI Players that will work
>with the GUS? 
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Vince
>hippo@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
>root@kingdom.com
>System Administrator/Owner 
>Kingdom Communications Inc./California Unix Public Access Systems Inc.
>San Francisco, California USA
>          
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 22:20:33 EST
>From: Mark Pfeifer <pfeifer@lf.hp.com>
>Subject: Mitsumi CD-ROM Audio Cable
>
>Does anyone have a good source for a cable to connect a Mistumi CD-ROM
>to the GUS?  The Mitsumi-PAS cable looks close, but merges the two 
>ground wires together.
>
>						Mark
>--
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 16:09:33 -0800 (PST)
>From: Vincent Poy <hippo@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu>
>Subject: Music File Player needed for the GUS
>
>Does anyone know of any Music File Players to play the following types of
>files on the GUS in DOS if possible and in Windows if not...
>
>1) CMF
>2) MID
>3) MUS
>4) ROL
>5) VOC
>6) WAV
>
>I have tried both CDBOX300.ZIP and PLAY13.ZIP but have had no luck in those.
>Thanks for any help in advance!
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Vince
>hippo@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
>root@kingdom.com
>System Administrator/Owner 
>Kingdom Communications Inc./California Unix Public Access Systems Inc.
>San Francisco, California USA
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 02:22:03 -0500 (EST)
>From: Brian Go <bgo@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>
>Subject: On OS/2 DRivers
>
>> Subject: on OS/2 Drivers...
>> 
>> First of all, I am an OS/2 user who owns a GUS... But I say rather than
>> push Gravis for os/2 drivers, get them to change their windows drivers
>> so that they will work under Win-OS/2..
>> 
>> Think about it... Even if drivers DID exist for os/2, you could only use 
>> them with os/2 programs... so the neat software that comes bundled with the
>> ultrasound would still be unusable. And at the moment, os/2 is really 
>> lacking in sound support (not including MMPM).
>
>It is my understanding that it is Win-OS/2 which does not support Virtual
>mode sound drivers.  The driver in Win-OS/2 accesses OS/2 before it goes
>into hardware.  Maybe a future release of OS/2 will support Virtual
>drivers.  All we need is an OS/2 driver which can interpret the info from
>Win-OS/2...
>
>And OS/2 is not lacking just in the sound support dept.....  Patience is
>an asset all OS/2 users share.
>
>Please hurry with the OS/2-GUS drivers.......  Please.
>
>Brian Go                        | One thing to remember
>bgo@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca        | Is that I have feelings too
>2nd year Chem Geek!             | I surely would have closed my eyes
>Displaced Montrealer          	| If I had known the real you. <INFOSOC>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 02:13:23 -0800 (PST)
>From: John Armstrong <jarmst@kaiwan.com>
>Subject: Orchid card beats GUS in Review
>
>	I have a couple of questions.  First of all, what is this 88% for
>the SoundWave and 87% for the GUS?  What is the basis for that comparison?
> What good is 512K of samples on ROM going to do?  Either it has just a
>few MIDI Patches, or they were recorded at a REALLY low sampling rate
>and/or are 8Bit.  Lastly, I dont want audio compression if it degrades
>sound quality and I detest _loosy_ compression.
>
>	There was also another sound card comparison in Computer Shopper
>that compared 16Bit sound cards.  The GUS scored extremely low.  Ok, Ok. 
>It got dead last.  I felt that the basis of comparison was unfair.  The
>GUS scored the best on signal-to-noise ratio and second to best on MIDI. 
>The rest of the tests were of the 16Bit sampling and playback quality. 
>Hello??  They compared 16Bit samples on all of the soundcards with 8Bit
>samples on the GUS.  Only 8Bit on the GUS.  I think that they should have
>played back 16Bit samples on all of the soundcards.  Then we would REALLY
>see how it ranked.  Ohh well...  Such is life I suppose.
>
>  John
>
>BTW - It was November '93 issue of Computer Shopper.  So, pick up a copy
>and laugh, for the editors knew it was unfair though criticized and
>demoralized it all the same.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 18:25:15 -0400 (AST)
>From: Jurassic Mark <markus@Info.UMoncton.ca>
>Subject: Re: Orchid card beats GUS in Review
>
>On Sat, 4 Dec 1993 chief@lysator.liu.se wrote:
>
>>  "The Gravis UltraSound has one major flaw; its Sound Blaster compability,
>>   which it achieves using the SBOS software emulation, is decidedly dodgy."
>> 
>>    Gravis!  Please tell them about Mega-Em. But then again, who _really_
>>    -------  still want them Sound Blaster 'sounds' when we can have full-
>>             blown 16 bit wavetable synthesis?
>
>	Give 'em time.  MegaEM is only 2 weeks old and that review was 
>written a month or two ago I'm pretty sure. :)  But don't worry, it'll come.
>
>> 
>>  "The only thing that the Orchid Soundwave 32SE lacks is the revolutionary
>>   3D sound developed by Gravis, which is soon to feature in a number of
>>   major game releases - Jurassic Park from Ocean for example."
>>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Now, I'd like to know the REAL story about that game.  I have it 
>and it does not support the GUS.  I have to use MegaEM (check on my list).
>And Ocean denies everything about GUS 3D support and that they're not 
>planning on doing it.  But Gravis keeps on saying it will.  On their 
>list, it was supposed to come out in Novembre.  Well, my JP game doesn't 
>support the card.  What's up?  Why is Gravis keeping on saying it when 
>Ocean themselves say no no no?
>
>>  So it seems as if we're living off of the 3D sound. Only. Hell, who wants
>>  512k of ROM samples?
>
>	That's what I was just about to ask...  What do they put in 
>512K?  8 bits samples for sure, but still...
>
>         Marc Y. Paulin - Jurassic Mark (Usenet) - J-Mark (IRC)
>   - markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (Talk 'n Mail) - (506)856-9518 -
>               APICS Programming Contest Winner of 1993
>            -=* GUS won over SB by a score of 32 to 11 *=-
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:24:24 +1030 (CST)
>From: Gavin <SCARMAN@hfrd.dsto.gov.au>
>Subject: Re: Orchid SoundWave/GameWave
>
>Here we go again, another card that hasn't half the versatility of the GUS
>
>>o SoundBlaster, Disney Sound Source, General MIDI, MPU-401, MT-32 and
>   Microsoft Sound System compability through hardware.
>
>SB - who cares?, DSS = DAC = not well supported and high CPU req., GM (512k 
>samples?), MPU401 - only sequencers require this these days and all the good 
>ones run under windows anyway, MT32 - betcha it's not programmable in this mode 
>ie GUS can do that!, MSS - ever seen anything that supports it outside of 
>Windows?
>
>>o 512k on-board ROM chips with samples.
>
>Bwaa ha ha ha - 512k! what not 5.12MEG? they're kidding right?
>
>>o 16-bit recording/playback
>
>This is useful - so what are you going to do with the samples? You can't use 
>them for MIDI, perhaps MOD types?
>
>>They also say that they will _maybe_ release a daughtercard for 3D sound
>> capabilities in the near future.
>
>And does it do D/A processing itself, or requires the CPU? From the above 
>statement I'd guess it doesn't.
>
>Face it, there's always gonna be the pretenders, but they're gonna be at least 
>12 months behind the GUS in terms of quality software support ie. not FM 
>synthesis emulation -  unless they can emulate the GUS (blasphemy!)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 15:38:56 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "K.S. Holly" <u8843389@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca>
>Subject: OS/2 drivers
>
>Just a quick note on the idea of making the current Windoze drivers work
>with OS/2. A good point was made in that all the sequencing software etc
>is written for windows anyway but isn't everything under win/os2 filtered
>through OS/2 anyway? The printer for Windows apps eventually goes through
>the OS/2 print manager so even if you have a driver for Word for Windows,
>it still won't work with OS/2 if you don;t have the driver for OS/2. I
>assume the same would be true in dealing with the GUS. If you don't have
>the OS/2 driver to accept the output from WIN/OS2, then it won't work.
>We DESPERATELY need OS/2 drivers, not a quick fix.
>
>Does anyone know if Gravis regularly reads this digest?
>
>PLEASE GRAVIS, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, MAKE OS/2 DRIVERS SOON!!!!!
>THE INSTALLED BASE OF OS/2 USERS IS GROWING FASTER THAN YOU THINK!
>
>Kevin
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: 05 Dec 93 11:12:08 PST
>From: pil!rotaryma@PacBell.COM (rotaryman)
>Subject: Problems with GUS and Window
>
>Regarding: GUS Daily Digest V9 #5
>I'm currently having some MAJOR problems loading the *.386 driver for
>windows.  I keep getting the message "An error has occur in the *.386, and is 
>unenable to load Ultrasound drivers. Please check your User's Guide for
>Troubleshooting".  I checked and checked, and everything is fine under DOS,
>no conflicts in DMA or IRQ.  So, can someone please HELP me?  Thanks!!
>
>
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>
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 14:48:41 -0600 (CST)
>From: Joerg Bashir <spinoza@shamu.micro.umn.edu>
>Subject: QSound...
>
>In an article is Electronic Entertainment, they mention QSound as the next
>great thing.  And that "This winter, Creative [Labs] will be shipping an
>upgrade to its Sound Blaster ASP board that will include QSound, along
>with kits for developers who want their games to support it."
>
>Sierra, Virgin and Ocean are also mentioned as beign interested.  
>
>Can GUS do QSound, or do you need a DSP.  Supposedly, Ecco and some other
>titles on Sega use it... so I imagine that no special harware would be
>required.
>
>????
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: 5 Dec 93 04:18:48 EST
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>Subject: Returned mail
>
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